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Light Rail the Gravy Train 101

Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:04:00 GMT

Good Morning,

Unfortunately, our Left Leaning local and state politicians will not, for obivious reasons educate themselves or the taxpaying public on the Facts of Light Rail The Gravy Train.

After All They don't Want To Be Confused With Facts, Their Mind is Already Made Up.

Below is some information they do not want you to have. Since we do not have a newspaper friendly to the Voters, nor a radio or TV Station that serves the people of Clark County, we need to use the Internet to educate. Here are a couple of "Did Youu Knows". More Tomorrow

Pass On this information

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

LIGHT RAIL FACTS:

DID YOU KNOW:

1. Six of the West Coast Light Rail the Gravy Train Systems (Los Angeles, Portland, Sacramento, San Jose, San Diego and San Francisco) require taxpayer subsidies to pay for 73% of operation and 100% of Capital improvements per year and on average only remove between 0.39% and 1.1% of cars off the Roadway. (Visit Washington Policy Center http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/centers/transportation/policybrief/08_Ennis_Light Rail.pdf) Do we really want to get Cars off the highways. We can't afford too many more "Obama Cash for Clunkers" deals can we?

2. The per mile cost of an urban freeway is comparable to light rail. ($30 million) However, a highway can carry five to ten times as many person-miles of travel as a light rail line. (Visit Goldwater Institute. http://goldwaterinstitute.org/Common/Files/Multimedia/122.pfd)

Did you know who Said: "It's hard for me to understand why intelligent people, who have access to the same information as I do, continue to support light rail even though it is clear that it does little to nothing to relieve congestion problems. Ans: Don Benton State Senator (R). 17th District who by the way needs your support to defeat Tax & Spend Light Rail Advocate Patty Murray.

Tune in again tomorrow to learn more about the cost of Light Rail.

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"Light Rail the Gravy Train"

Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:49:00 GMT

May the good Lord forgive them, they no not what they do!!!

What a bunch of dishonest politicians we have. To say that I am disgusted with most of them is a gross understatement. Speaking out of both sides of their mouths those who are duty bound to represent us have not been truthful in response to my question, � The Question is:

"Why are they continuing to spend our hard earned tax dollars on �Light Rail the Gravy Train� before we vote on whether or not we will approve a tax measure to increase taxes to operate and maintain �Light Rail the Gravy Train".

The answer is simple they never intended for us to vote on an �operation and maintenance tax increase�. Those dishonest rascals have buried the Operation and Maintenance Tax Increase in the �2011 C-Tran 20 Year Operations Levy�.

Ir is Buried in the first paragraph under Financial Plan on page 4 of this 5-page rip-off document. it reads as following:

Financial Plan

Over the twenty years of C-TRAN�s Draft Preferred Alternative, it is assumed the agency will need to raise revenue equivalent to an additional 0.5% sales tax increase. Nearly half, or 0.2%, will be dedicated to anticipated growth of C-TRAN�s paratransit service, CVAN. Roughly 0.2% sales tax will be dedicated to fixed route bus service improvements and the remaining 0.1% sales tax will be dedicated to the introduction of high capacity transit in Clark County, including both Columbia River Crossing (CRC) light rail operating costs and the capital and operating costs for the Fourth Plain Bus Rapid Transit project. Cleaver Wording. Unless you read it very carefully you wouldn�t know you were voting on �Light Rail the Gravy Train�. You can read the entire C-Tran B.S. Document by going to:

http://www.c-tran.com/20_Year_Plan_Update2.html

We cannot let these rascal get away with this unconscionable, disgusting, dirty trick to bury in the C-Tran 20 year plan the Light Rail Operations and Maintenance levy so they can without our knowledge ram down our throats a light rail system we neither need nor want. If the Dirty tricks folks give us no other choice, we need to start now, a campaign to defeat the C-Tran 20 Year Transit Development Plan. We need to demand as promised, a separate vote, (in August 2010) on the Operation and Maintenance of Light Rail the Gravy Train.

Besides, How in the hell can C-Tran even think about managing a Light rail system when we still have to this day, Bus Riders waiting for a bus, in cold, freesing Pacific Northwest pouring Rain. Their only shelter is a single bus stop sign. The politicians need to get the hell out of their plush offices and try it.

BUS RIDERS DESERVE BETTER AND WE DESERVE TO BE REPRESENTED NOT DICTATED TO.

Please forward to your email list.

L. M. Patella, CDR USN (ret)

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Light Rail the Gravy Train- What Others are Saying

Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:30:00 GMT

Good Afternoon,

Below is another opinion that thinks we need to vote on the Operations and Maintence of Light Rail the Gravy Train. What is your Opinion? Let me Know.
We may need to gather petition signatures to obtain our promised and constitutional rights.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

NuVoice

For the Overburdened Taxpayers of Vancouver Washington

March 9, 2010

Stop the Assumptions of Light Rail

A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. Albert Einstein

There have been a lot of assumptions that light rail in Clark County is a foregone conclusion. Wouldn't it be a good idea to put it on the ballot to see if people are willing to pay more taxes to subsidize it before we have any further discussion? If people don�t want it would it be dead or is it the intention for our government to shove it down our throats. Where have I heard this most recently? Oh, I know...Health care.

The myth promoted by the politicians is that the bridge cannot be built without light rail. Horse feathers! It can be built with a form of Rapid Transit which would be a cost effective bus system. With buses if the need is a different destination you don�t have to build an extension of tracks.
People love their cars. No matter how glamorous you make light rail appear, I�d rather drive my own clean car and be with people I choose. I don�t fear crime in my car. I do feel uneasy on a train of strangers trying to convert me to Christianity or worst being obnoxious because they are high on drugs.
So wasting time and money, by debating when and where light rail will be placed assumes that the taxpayer/voter who will be paying for it has already made their approval. They have not!

Place it on the next ballot for all of Clark County. Be honest with the voter as to the true cost of light rail. Look at the financial record of Tri-Met and their deficit involving their operating of light rail and ask the voter if they want them to control the extension into Vancouver.

Eighty million taxpayer dollars have been spent on the study of the Columbia River Crossing and the people who will be paying for this entire project have yet to be asked what they want concerning light rail. It�s sort of like giving your girlfriend a surprise gift that doesn�t work and asking her to pay for it for an indefinite period of time.
Let�s have a vote first before we talk further on something not voter approved. Save the overburdened taxpayer his time and money. We deserve to be represented not dictated to.

Charlie Stemper of Vancouver USA You may unsubscribe to this list at any time by sending a message to the following: unsubscribe@nuvoice.com and type unsubscribe in the subject line.

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Light Rail the Gravy Train

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:04:00 GMT

Interesting Article in today�s Fish Wrapper; �LIGHT-RAIL ALIGNMENT DIVIDE COMMUNITY�. It is doing more then dividing the Community!!! It is rapidly causing us to lose faith in the Vancouver City Council. Where is the change we voted for? Recently, in his State of the City Speech Mayor Leavitt said, �Deficits mean end to Business as Usual�. When will we start to see the �THE BEGINNING OF THE END TO BUSINESS AS USUAL�?

Why, if as promised by the Vancouver City Council, C-Tran and the Clark County Commissioners that �WE THE PEOPLE� will have the final say on whether or not we will approve a TAX INCREASE to fund the operation and maintenance of �LIGHT RAIL THE GRAVY TRAIN� is the Vancouver City Council continuing to behave as if bringing �LIGHT RAIL THE GRAVY TRAIN� to Vancouver is a done deal?

Why are they (THOSE WHO SUPPORT LIGHT RAIL), �DURING THE GREATEST ECONOMIC CRISIS� SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION� still spending our Hard Earned Tax Dollars on �LIGHT RAIL THE GRAVY TRAIN� before they know the outcome of the �VOTE OF THE PEOPLE�? Apparently there is something they are not telling us or we are in for a surprise.

And they wonder why we �DON�T TRUST GOVERNMENT ANYMORE�? Please read the Attachment.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

P.S. There is a lot of Good Anti-Light Rail, Anti-Corrupt Government Information Available. Unfortunately we do not have in Vancouver, a Radio Station, a TV station or a Voter Friendly News Paper to help us educate the Taxpayers on how expensive, ineffective and inefficient Light Rail The Gray Train Is or what corrupt politicians at all level are doing to destroy our once great Country. The only way we can get our information out is if we develop a Citizen"s Email Network. Please forward Emails you agree with to your mailing list and ask those on your list to forward to their Mailing List. With a little effort maybe we can turn the Tax and Spend Rascals Around.

WE DESERVE TO BE REPRESENTED NOT DICTATED TO

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Senate Package OK'd

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:23:00 GMT

Predictions come true. The self serving Democrats in the Olympia, yesterday dropped the first shoe in their "Bait and Switch Tax Plan�. Yesterday they passed a $890 million dollar tax increase that includes a significant increase in the sales tax. Should this idiotic increase in taxes pass the House, they will then start working on ramming down our throats an INCOME TAX.

Lisa Brown, Senate Majority Leader's next step will then be to promise us they will rescind the sales take if we will , in November, just pass a small income tax that will only affect the Rich. What a crock. She and her "band of thieves" know full well that Every Tax Increase eventually finds it way down to the Consumer. But the dictatorial Democrats could care less. All they are interested in is covering their butts. After all it was their and Governor Chris' tax and spend policies that got us into this mess.

Idiotic comments such as the one uttered by Senator Tracey Eide, Democrat-Federal Way, "Do I want to raise taxes? I say no, Hell no. I don't want to raise taxes. Who does? But I have a constitutional duty to Balance this Budget." Those comments say volumes about the democrat�s inability to govern. As I read the Constitution Senator Eide and her partners in crime, have a constitutional duty to maintain a balanced budget. Therefore they should

1. Prioritize Spending,
2. Not use tax dollars to buy vote,
3. Eliminate government waste,
4. Not Spend more than they take in
5. Eliminate subsidized Boondoggle (Light Rail, Legal Kick Backs to Developers, Hotels/Sports Arenas, Parking garages, etc.)
6. EXERCISE SOME FISCAL RESPONSIBLITY

Hats off to the Republicans Led by Senator Don Benton whose valiant attempt to bring some sanity to the Washington State Senate included a vote by the voters to pass this Obscene Tax Increase. Unfortunately the Dem�s don�t like the Voters Voting on issues that directly impact voters and rejected the Republican Suggestions. But that was to be expected. In exercising their assumed dictatorial powers they just threw out a voter approved initiative didn�t they.

November cannot get here too soon.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

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GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!! THANKS TO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:07:00 GMT

What better way to say Good Morning. Read to the end and then forward.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

-----Original Message-----
From: Tudor Davis [mailto:ss232davis@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: Three Cheers for Obama!

From: James Wojciechowski
To: Thomas, Brad&Kim
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:05 AM
Subject: Fw: Three Cheers for Obama!

Don't let the subject line scare you. This ties in with your optimism.

That is right � I will say it:

THANK GOD FOR BARACK OBAMA!

He destroyed the Clinton Political Machine � Driving a stake thru the heart of Hillary�s Presidential aspirations � something no Republican was ever able to do. Remember when a Hillary Presidency scared the daylights out of you!

He killed off the Kennedy Dynasty � No more Kennedy�s trolling Washington looking for booze and women wanting rides home. American women and Freedom are safer tonight!

He is destroying the Democratic Party before our eyes!
Dennis Moore had never lost a race � quit
Evan Bayh had never lost a race � quit
Byron Dorgan � had never lost a race � quit
Harry Reid � bid for re-election doesn�t look good

These are just a handful of the Democrats that whose political careers Obama has destroyed! By the end of 2010 dozens more will be!

In December of 2008 the Democrats were on the rise. In the last two election cycles they had picked up 14 senate seats and 52 house seats. The press was touting the death of the Conservative Movement and the Republican Party.

In one year Obama put a stop to all of this and will probably give the house, if not the senate back to the Republicans.

He has completely exposed liberals and progressives for what they are.

Every Generation seems to need to relearn the lesson on why they should never actually put liberals in charge. He is bringing home the lesson very well!

Liberals tax, borrow and spend � check
Liberals won�t bring themselves to protect America � check
Liberals want to take over the economy � check
Liberals think they know what is best for everyone � check
Liberals aren�t happy till they are running YOUR life - check

He has brought more Americans back to conservatism than anyone since Reagan

In one year he rejuvenated the Conservative movement and brought out to the streets millions of Freedom Loving Americans.

Name me one other time in your life that you saw your friends and neighbors this interested in taking back America!?

In all honesty one year ago I was more afraid than I had ever been in my life. Not of the economy but of the direction our country was going. I thought Americans had forgotten what this country was all about. My neighbors, friends, strangers proved to me that my lack of confidence of the Greatness and Wisdom of the American people was flat out wrong.

When the American People wake up, no smooth talking teleprompter reader can fool them!

Barack Obama woke up these Great Americans.

Again I want say

Thank you, Barack Obama!

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Comments on the Mayor's State of the City Speech

Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:22:00 GMT

Letter to the Editors

As a strong supporter of Tim Leavitt during his campaign to become Vancouver�s Mayor and instrumental in encouraging Mayoral candidate Charlie Stemper, who won more than 3000 votes during the Primary, shift his support to Leavitt, I am feel obligated to respond to the
Local Fish Wrapper�s article, �LEAVITT STRIKES A TOUGH TONE�.

Unfortunately because my taxes are so damn high, I chose not to take time off work to attend Mayor Leavitt�s first state of the City Speech.

Based on what I read in the Fish Wrapper, I question what a tough tone means. I must also, offer the Good Mayor some advise, comments and ask some specific Questions. First and foremost I urge the Mayor Leavitt not to become enamored with his position or to start believing his own press releases. He must not lose sight of the fact that his first responsibility is to the Tax Paying Public. As for his comment, �Deficits mean end to Business as Usual�. Just what does that mean? Are we going to?

� Sell the Hilton Hotel, built with 73 million taxpayer dollars and currently being subsidized to the tune 2 million dollars a year.
� End Legal Kickbacks (AKA Tax incentives for Developers)
� STOP spending/increasing/wasting/losing Tax Dollars we don�t have to GIVE, SPEND, WASTE OR LOSE ON:
1. �Light Rail the Gravy Train� until the People have voted on funding the Operation and Maintenance of this Boondoggle.
2. A replacement bridge we neither need nor want, until the people have had an opportunity to vote on �Light Rail the Gravy Train�
3. The �Boise Cascade Waterfront Flood Plain. (14 Million already spent, 30 plus million planned).
4. Giving away property owned by the public (Old Police Station, Monterey Hotel, the Old Denny�s Property, etc.)
5. Increasing Utility Taxes to Fund Police and Fire Services
6. Increasing City Employees� wages and benefits
7. Increasing Property Taxes
8. Increasing Sales Taxes
9. Increasing Permit Taxes
10. Increasing User Fees
� START LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE.
� REVISE OR ELIMINATE ARCHAIC SECTIONS OF VANCOUVER MUNICIPAL CODES THAT CURRENTLY INTIMADATE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS
� PRIORTIZE SPENDING WITH POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

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Lets Throw The Bums Out

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:39:00 GMT

Who The Hell does Senator Lisa Brown (Dem, Liberal, Socialist) think she is. Nine times we have voted down The Democrat's attempts to Ram down our throats an Income Tax.

She and her co-conspirators shouhd be ashamed of themselves. Calling the fact that Washington State "Out of work Citizens" IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT SHOULD NOT BE WASTED. is at best disgusting.

To add insult to injury these creepy people who call themselves Representative of the People, are insulting our intelligence. They are resorting to the old Bait & Switch Technique. They have set the stage for this highway robbery of our hard earned tax dollars, by increasing our sales taxes NOW. Later as they prepare for the Income Tax Information Blitz, That they will say we will recind the Sales Tax if we the voters would be so kind as to approve an Income Tax. What a Crock. What a bunch of Liars. Once with their foot in the door we will have for ever and ever, two taxes, sales and income.

Those idiots need to do three things, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING AND STOP SPENDING. CUT WASTE, CUT WASTE AND CUT WASTE, AND ELIMINATE BOONDOGGLES, ELIMINATE BOONDOGGLES, AND ELIMINATE BOONDOGGLES ( K Schools, Light Rail the Gravy Train in Seattle and Vancouver, Building a 4 billion dollar bridge that will in the long run cost 10 billion, Building on a flood plain, selling the Hilton Hotel, eliminating legal kickbacks (AKA tax incentive) and the elimination hundreds of Committees & Study groups would be a good place to start.

WE the taxpayers "NEED TO DO ONLY ONE THING", GET THEM THE HELL OUT OF OFFICE. LET THEM EXPERIENCE WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE OUT OF A JOB AND AWAY FROM THE LOBBYIST FEEDING TROUGHS.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

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Mark your Calendar.

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:17:00 GMT

We need Light Rail the Gravy Train, like most Politicians need another reason to raise taxes. What we do need is a large turnout Tuesday night to find out just why Light Rail is a Gravy Train. BE THERE. Learn what the local Politicians and CRC has not and will not tell you. Call your favorite poltitician and tell them you expect them to be there.

Our Thnaks to Debbie Peterson for keeping us informend.

Larry Patella

-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Peterson [mailto:debbie@debbiepeterson.org]
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:03 PM
Subject: Today's actions, Tomorrow's future. HARNEY not Hough!!!!

Dear Friends,

Please email to your email lists.

NOTICE: THE Randal O'Toole LIGHT RAIL TOWN HALL IS AT ....

HARNEY Elementary

NOT HOUGH.

The address is the same: 3212 E. Evergreen Blvd, starts at 7:30 pm.
Thanks!

Debbie

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What others are saying

Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:49:00 GMT

Good Afternoon,

One of my favorite sayings is "We deserve to be represened Not dictated to". Yet we have at all levels of Government led by Barack Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid at the Federal Level and locally Governor Chris, Governor Kolunkoski, and some city and county politicans WOULD BE DICTATORS.

At the Federal Level, Barak Hussein Obama and his gang are saying "To Hell" with what the people want, they are going to get our versions of Health Care, Higher Taxes, and Socialism whether they want it or not.

Locally we are going to have rammed down our throats a multi - billion dollar bridge, light rail, and higher taxes regardless of what the people want.

At long last other are starting to speak out. David describes these rascals, better than I could. Read on.

L. M. Patella
CDR USN (ret)

-----Original Message-----

From: David R Jolivette [mailto:djolivette@associatedmortgage.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:53 PM
To: 'vtaft@kpam.com'
Subject: Nancy Pelosi Comments

Dear Ms. Taft:

I was listening to your show the other night, and it has actually taken me two full days to calm down enough to write a response regarding the part of Valerie Jarret & Pelosi previous comments, suggesting a book for tea party members, and or supporters basically Politics for dummies. These smug and artificial person's should start packing their face creams, facial masks, and false teeth, and hop on their brooms for one last trip home. Their arrogance, and social elitism, have become so condescending to the peoples of America, that they absolutely need to go. I attended the Tea Party, and I must tell you I am proud to have seen and been a part of the beginning steps of the taking back of America, from an outrageous group of Social elitists. . I really wish Nancy no ill will other than what she is. I think she is an outdated, arrogant, overrated, poisonous, elitist, condescending, evil, nasty, non human, shrill. I could not give or wish her anything more that she has or i
s.

I do find it insulting to the people of America, all parties, all denominations, that she for one moment could represent any one, or any thing. She speaks in circles, and not once have I actually witnessed her to have an actual concept, or a complete thought process. No clarity, no personal conviction, no empathy, no grace and no vision. And certainly NO SOLUTIONS...

I think the Tea Party movement means something more to me than people like Pelosi & Jarret can comprehend. To me it is a group of really fine citizens that are the Americans I have known since I was put on the planet in the 50's. These were or are not radicals, these are people whom have witnessed the gradual decline of moral and economic standards, courage, statesmanship, leadership, sacrifice, the value of hard work, and yes country. It is where politicians use to have a degree of quality, honor, integrity, empathy, and class, and were beyond reproach. I actually find them devoid of any of these qualities.

What I want to really say, is what a shame for America. This is what our representation has become? I hope and wish the Tea Party movement has great success in the years to come. It, to me, is really about restoring a country that is currently broken back to its full capacity. This country was not broken by its citizens, other that we were all too busy running our lives, our business's, and our families, and these whatever they are slipped in like a thief in the night and HIJACKED all that is good about America. Pelosi is a symptom and a cancer. She is the manifestation of what I find wrong about politicians. She cares more for power, than solutions, and lacks any long term vision for America.

I wish that through the grace of common sense, we have the wisdom to send her packing along with a lot of other people who simply forgot what they were hired to do. I have been a Banker for 35 years. I watch the debt clock daily ticking away, and I wonder at what point do we actually break the back of our financial system. I see an economy that is not rebounding. I see trade deficits that are larger than some countries Gross Domestic Product. I see government cutting deals with George Soros that the public is not even aware of. I see politicians that have corrupted the different departments of government for personal pay back, and power, with special exemptions for those that feed at their tables. I see no real solutions being offered to shore up business climate and get America back on its way as a capitalistic country. I just do not see anyone who can put their own power thirst to the side, and actually do what is right for the country first. I find that our servan
ts have become our masters, and we are embracing hate against people we have been told are wealthy, or are business owners......evidently anyone who makes more than 250k a year as a couple or 125k a year as an individual.....In any event, this is my response. I am not so much mad, as I am disappointed, that while I was working, this element took control....but I want you to know...people are figuring your type out...they are waking up...they have and were promised things that have not happened, and they are getting mad, and, there are more of them than there are you.....

So Long Live the Tea Party, and may we send the scoundrels back home, with the same health care their going to cram down our throats. I also think this movement just might be starting to scare them.. In any event, Nancy and Valerie, send me the book...I am sure you have a lot of explaining to do....and by the way, I can hardly wait until us dummies kick you out of office...and Valerie you get yours in the end also. Joe the same small business guy....

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The Vultures are Attacking

Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:21:00 GMT

I wish I could say good morning, but today headline "Governor OK�s Anti Tax Law Suspension" in the Daily Fish Wrapper just about makes me sick to my stomach. What a bunch of Creeps. Twice Governor Chris vowed that if elected she would not increase taxes. What a Liar. The democrats, who created this mess with their tax and spend mentality are ignoring the voice of the people. Every Democrat and any Republican who voted to tell the people who passed I-960. �Go To Hell" We could care less what you think, besides we have the power to ignore you.�

I would like to share a message that I received from one of my email friends. He was responding to my testimony at Monday�s City Council Meeting. How sad that the Vancouver City Council, Democrats in Olympia and Washington, DC can drive one of those they are duty bound to represent to this. What a bunch of creeps.
Larry Patella, CDR USN (ret)

-----Original Message-----
From: goflya5 FOGG [mailto:goflya5@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:10 PM
To: lmpatella@comcast.net
Subject: RE: 2/22/10 City Council Meeting

Go Larry-
I'm 84, and at this point in my life I've had a belly full of the elected idiots. Thank God, I don't have to exist for too much longer. Keep up the good work!!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!p

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